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Thermador Pro Grand: PRG486EDPG 48'' Pro-Style Gas Range with 5.7 cu. ft. Convection Large Oven, Telescopic Racks, 6 Star Burners, Porcelain Surface and Titanium-Surface Electric Griddle: Natural Gas Review

Thermador Pro Grand: PRG486EDPG 48'' Pro-Style Gas Range with 5.7 cu. ft. Convection Large Oven, Telescopic Racks, 6 Star Burners, Porcelain Surface and Titanium-Surface Electric Griddle: Natural Gas
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I thought I would do this as a service. I bought the 48inch outdoor grill with wok, with warming drawer, with side burners, with rotisserie, with subzero ice maker, with sub zero fridge in an integrated assembly for use in a semi-covered outdoor BBQ setup in Maui. I think the cost was over $20k and it was installed by the Thermador factory representatives. Everything was installed 5 years ago. I'll just go through a quick litany of issues. The fridge has had to be repaired twice, the IceMaker has had to have fans installed even though the specifications say that it can be installed with minimum clearance. The ice maker usually produces soggy ice - right near melting, and this is during winter months. We have had service people - also authorized work on it at least 7 times and we are presently having to put in more ducting and fans. The igniters have failed three times. The rotisserie has failed twice requiring about $300 in repair each time. The warming drawer needed complete replacement in the 2nd year and all of the fittings and electrical were deeply rusted and corroded. On top of this, I have never liked using it as it seemed uncontrollably hot. This is an LP conversion from the factory and the proper orifices were installed. When we brought up the problem to the installer servicer he first tried to solve it, but then said "they are all like this - there is no control". Last year I finally started to see if I could solve the problem and found that the continuous "infinity" adjustment controls on the front actually had no control - only on and off. They are market Off -Lite - Hi - and Lo. But none of the 3 zone controls adjusted the flame at all. We figured that something had been improperly installed. Integrated as part of this on the right side are two side burners. They work well, with continuous adjustment, as you would expect. The same with the Wok. I started probing more deeply and went back to the original manual for this model as well as two others in the series and it said that all burners have infinitely adjustable control. I finally went to the installers manual and saw the phrase: "LP options in the 48" inch version have no control". This was obviously discovered after the units were designed as whatever the problem that arose that kept them from offering this feature in the actual deliveries of their product - EVEN THOUGH THEIR INSTRUCTION MANUAL DESCRIBED IT AS A FEATURE - a feature that makes the entire BBQ useless if reasonable control of heat is important in your cooking. As I have gathered more information trying to figure out what to do next, I have learned that on Maui the authorized service men are recommending to people that they DO NOT BUY THERMADOR/BOSCH. It has been 5 years since I purchased this, so I don't know if I have any ability to claim damages, but it was never capable of fitness for use, so possibly there is a chance at some recovery, but my intent now is to warn people away from this brand. I have been doing some research and see that these are not isolated problems and that there are many brands superior to Thermador, some at quite a savings. - Just using this as a forum.

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Thermador Pro Grand: PRG486EDPG 48'' Pro-Style Gas Range with 5.7 cu. ft. Convection Large Oven, Telescopic Racks, 6 Star Burners, Porcelain Surface and Titanium-Surface Electric Griddle: Natural Gas

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Weber Summit S-420 LP Gas Grill - Stainless Steel Review

Weber Summit S-420 LP Gas Grill - Stainless Steel
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The Weber Summit line of grills have a design flaw that Weber refuses to consider an issue. Whenever it rains, water runs down the back and enters the internal drip tray, and empties into a drip pan. The pan then overflows the greasy mess onto the cabinet floor. Furthermore, the drip pan cannot be easily removed without almost totally spilling the greasy mess.

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Cooking System: Liquid Propane Gas ~ tank not included 4 stainless steel burnersMaximum 48,800 BTU's per-hour input12,000 BTU-per-hour input flush-mounted side burnerSnap-Jet Individual burner ignition system3,8 inch or 9.5mm diameter stainless steel rod cooking gratesStainless steel Flavorizer bars538 sq. inch primary cooking areaWarming rack area = 112 sq. inchTotal cooking area = 650 sq. inchTank not included1 Grill Out handle light6 Tool holdersLimited warrantyWeber cookbookConstruction:Stainless steel shroud with polished handle and trim, a center-mounted thermometer and accent-colored, cast-aluminum end capsEnclosed cart with stainless steel doors and chrome plated cast-aluminum handles and accent -colored painted side and rear panelsAccent-colored painted steel frame2 Stainless steel work surfacesEnclosed tank storage area and precision fuel gauge2 Heavy-duty locking casters2 Heavy-duty swivel casters Dimensions With The Lid Open:Height: 57.1 inchesWidth R-L: 66 inchesDepth: 30 inches This product requires assembly.

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Samsung RF4287HARS 28 cu. ft. 4-Door French Door Refrigerator - Stainless Steel Review

Samsung RF4287HARS 28 cu. ft. 4-Door French Door Refrigerator - Stainless Steel
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So far the fridge works well, has tons of capacity, flexible shelving systems.
This unit is a tad shorter than others in this size class. It needs only 68.5" of clearance for the portion of the unit behind the hinges. There is a plastic cord holder/dust cover on the back left top of the ice box. This was a cover for a recessed area that looks like where the water connects to the ice maker. I had to remove it to fit under the 68.5" face frame I had. This leaves about 1/4" top clearance at the face frame of the upper cabinet (of course 2" above top when you get past the face frame). I did cover the recessed area with packing tape to keep dust out.
The touch screen is a little finicky about where you touch. To switch ice types or turn ice off, you actually don't touch the screen rather the top curved area of the ice/water portal - not very clear in manual, luckily there one one obscure picture that showed the correct spot.
The middle "flex" drawer looks very promising.
Will update this over time.
Update: 06/17/10
I did see a better picture about turning ice off - better that my initial review. Ice maker has a somewhat different and slightly louder "ice drop" sound. The ice making frequency could be faster, but only time will tell if it keeps up with summer demand. I did have to tweak the alignment of the upper doors - could not be simpler!!!

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Samsung RF4287 28 cu. ft. 4-Door French Door RefrigeratorThe innovative 4-door refrigerator is perfect for large families and those that love to cook and entertain. The FlexZone Drawer offers convenient refrigerator space with four settings independently controlled temperature.Product Features  ? Large Capacity - 28 cu. ft.  ? Energy Star Rated: 562 kWh/year  ? Premium External Filtered Water  ? Ice Dispenser  ? FlexZone Drawer with Temperature  ? Control and SmartDivider  ? LED Lighting  ? Twin Cooling Plus System  ? Surround Air Flow  ? Power Freeze and Power Cool Options  ? Two Humidity Controlled Crispers  ? Tempered Glass Spill Proof Shelves  ? Gallon Door Bins  ? EZ- Open Handle on Freezer Door and FlexZone Drawer  ? Stainless Steel Accents on Interior Shelving and Door Bins  ? Auto Pull Out Clear Upper Freezer DrawerCounter Height Design:The FlexZone Drawer matches the height of the counter top, creating a built-in look that fits seamlessly into the kitchenFlexZone Drawer:The mid-drawer provides flexible temperature control for your food storage needs with Meat/Fish, Cold Drinks, Deli/Snacks and Wine/Party Dishes options. The SmartDivider allows easy organization within the mid-drawer.

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